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  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2021-01-31 14:02:41 +1100
    Sorry fellas, I can make the meeting today but I will be attending next weekend.
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2021-01-30 11:02:41 +1100
    By the way, my “letter” on Plastic recycling, (now posted twice), was sent by email to the Minister at ([email protected]) on the 18th Jan 2021, with the following forward…

    Dear Minister
    I like to present you with some information I have recently researched on the matter of Plastic Recycling.
    I’d be very interested on what advances and research the Government has made regarding the tackling of Plastic Pollution.
    Perhaps, as I state in the following piece, it requires someone to think outside the box.
    If we treat plastic waste as a potential to be reconverted into it’s raw state, we not only instantly put a value on it, we instantly create a circular economy where almost everyone wins, the environment and the worlds people in general.
    That is, except the oil moguls of the world who would like us to continue to create plastic from the very oil they are desperate to continue to sell us.
    As I say below, why not we Victorians become a little adventurous and become a centre for plastic recycling.
    I’d be very interested to hear what you think of my idea as presented.

    Yours
    Peter Perryman, Concerned Citizen

    As of this point in time, I have received no reply
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2021-01-30 10:52:55 +1100
    further to my beef on plastic recycling…
    Somehow, I believe the ultimate goal of a circular economy, the gold standard, is to aim for a No waste Economy. One would need a sunset clause to allow industry to adjust but the end game is that there should be that NOTHING pushed onto consumers that can’t be totally recycled. That is, all product and packaging must be totally recyclable, lets say by 2030 for a starter. The world’s overall performance in this regard is abysmal and can only be improved. The 100% recycle goal is just an aim but if we don’t aim for something, how do we get there. I’d be interested in other peoples comments as to how we could get there.
  • Richard Belcher - Victorian Organiser
    commented 2021-01-30 10:35:04 +1100
    Hi Peter and others in this group,

    The party is organising an all-of-Melbourne catch-up for 7 February. An Enewsletter will be out detailing this event by the beginning of the week.

    Regards,

    Richard Belcher.
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2021-01-30 08:15:25 +1100
    Sorry folks , I’ve doubled up by accident, I did post this some time ago.
    I’m be happy to do a zoom if we can get enough.
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2021-01-30 08:10:32 +1100
    I’m submitting a copy of a letter I sent to the ENvironment Minister of Victoria.
    it goes as follows…
    Plastic Recycling – To whom it may concern
    I have recently researched a little on Plastic Recycling. The general “industry and governmental” opinion seems to be that it is all too hard.
    The main problems put up are with type separation, that leads to each type of plastic needing a vastly different process to be effectively recycled.
    It does not need an Einstein type of mind to do a little digging and yes, type separation is an issue. That said, it seems there are existing processes to do this effectively, it just needs some investment from people in the industry to have a look and think a little outside the box.
    I started with the TED talk below dated 2011, yes that is 10 years ago. One can reasonably assume there have been significant refinements in this process since then.
    https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_biddle_we_can_recycle_plastic/transcript?referrer=playlist-sustainability_by_design#t-639284
    From there I went to Mike Biddle Associates website
    https://mbapolymers.com/
    From there to
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/02/us-plastic-waste-recycling
    In summary from various sources…
    Eight million metric tonnes of random plastic ends up in our oceans every year, for the interested, that is around a fifth of a cubic kilometre of plastic.
    America alone, consumes 900 billion pounds of plastic every year, (or around two million metric tonnes).
    Now if there is a process to convert/reconvert this back into raw material, what is there not to like.
    If it requires a bigger stream plastic waste than Victoria can supply to make the investment work, why not commit to it and allow we Victorians, (not the SE Asian countries) to become the central processing of plastic waste for the entire South East corner of the Pacific. Once one has a process, then random plastic can be effectively mined as a raw material.
    Set up and managed efficiently, everyone wins. Many millions of tonnes of plastic stops going into the oceans and land fill, and we end up with a raw material that has a real commercial value.
    There may be other commercial processes/companies doing the same, well and good, but please, can someone explain to me why this has not been taken up. The alternative of doing nothing, is not sustainable and should not be acceptable to anyone.
    Cheers Concerned Aussie.
    Peter Perryman
  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2021-01-27 11:52:36 +1100
    Yea mate, I’ll do the zoom on Sunday, I’m still waiting on feedback from the higher ups about a YouTube add as we need to reach more people.
  • Ken Young
    commented 2021-01-27 09:38:09 +1100
    It appears I failed to post my previous comment which I wrote a month ago, and just posted it now. No wonder I had no responses. I propose to have a Zoom meeting on Sunday February 7, 2021, at 3 pm if anyone is interested. I will send out an email to those on my list. Ring me on 0400 122 044 if you are not on my list. I only have two copies of Uncommon Sense left, for loan or purchase at $15.
  • Ken Young
    commented 2021-01-27 09:30:59 +1100
    Hi to nobody. Nobody has posted anything since Aaron and I posted a month ago. For the record her is my journal entry about our last meeting.

    “I screwed up with the training session for XR and couldn’t find the paperwork with the link to the Zoom session. The rest of the day went really well. My lunch was with Ian Penrose and Doug Richards and that was inspirational. I had some great feedback from like minded maths/science types with a much wider area of interest and experience. Ian has been part of the battle against excessive population growth and Doug has been a member of SAP for longer and interested in current affairs. He put me onto Andrew Wilkie from Tasmania who has similar policies.

    The SAP Zoom meeting only had Richard, Peter, Doug, and me and that was very good. We explored policy options and major issues."

    This month I don’t propose to waste time with a Zoom meeting unless anyone wants to say hello. I’m concerned that a political approach to the possible extinction of life on Earth might not be enough. That’s why I’m joining forces with XR (Extinction Rebellion). I feel an alliance with XR might make some progress. I’ve mentioned this to Aaron Webber, the National Organiser, and promised to send him this following quote from “The New Despotism” -

    “Extract from “The New Despotism” Page 242

    Resistance

    Corporate surveillance and domination of the working lives and daily routines of citizens; the entanglement of their elected governments in webs of dark money, organized lobbying, revolving doors, and patronage; the drift toward plutocracy and generally worsening social inequality; and creeping lawlessness camouflaged by talk of rule of law: these are only a few of the worrying trends inside today’s democracies. They should encourage thinking citizens to wonder where these democracies are heading’ Might these currents be forewarnings, danger signals, harbingers of the tortoise-paced transformation of actually existing democracies into phantom democracies that look and feel like the despotisms they supposedly stand against? .And if that is so, if the old democracies are tacitly joining forces with the new despotisms, what can be done to reverse this convergence? Can anything be done?"

    I also sent a copy of “Uncommon Sense” to our national Headquarters. I bought ten copies and have given two to my friendly researchers and one to my son who has actually read it and discussed it with me. He is working in IT with the B O M. This means I still have four copies of the book available for loan or other reasons.

    “Uncommon Sense” is written by 94 yo Architectural Engineer and Town Planner, Peter Seidel, from the USA and explains why there is reluctance to change. The subtitle is Shortcomings of the Human Mind for Handling Big-Picture, Long-Term Challenges."

    Human short comings, has been an area of interest for me for some time. I will now email all my SAP contacts to suggest they read this essay.

    Happy New Hear, that is if we make it one.
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2021-01-07 20:02:09 +1100
    I have recently researched a little on Plastic Recycling. The general “industry and governmental” opinion seems to be that it is all too hard.
    The main problems put up are with type separation, that leads to each type of plastic needing a vastly different process to be effectively recycled.
    It does not need an Einstein type of mind to do a little digging and yes, type separation is an issue. That said, it seems there are existing processes to do this effectively, it just needs some investment from people in the industry to have a look and think a little outside the box.
    I started with the TED talk below dated 2011, yes that is 10 years ago. One can reasonably assume there have been significant refinements in this process since then.
    https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_biddle_we_can_recycle_plastic/transcript?referrer=playlist-sustainability_by_design#t-639284
    From there I went to Mike Biddle Associates website
    https://mbapolymers.com/
    From there to
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/02/us-plastic-waste-recycling
    In summary from various sources…
    Eight million tons of random plastic ends up in our oceans every year, for the interested, that is around a cubic kilometer of plastic.
    America alone, consumes 900 billion pounds of plastic every year, (or around two million metric tons).
    Now if there is a process to convert/reconvert this back into raw material, what is there not to like.
    If it requires a bigger stream plastic waste than Victoria can supply to make the investment work, why not commit to it and allow we Victorians, (not the SE Asian countries) to become the central processing of plastic waste for the entire South East corner of the Pacific. Once one has a process, then random plastic can be effectively mined as a raw material.
    Set up and managed efficiently, everyone wins. Many millions of tones of plastic stops going into the oceans and land fill, and we end up with a raw material that has a real commercial value.
    There may be other commercial processes/companies doing the same, well and good, but please, can someone explain to me why this has not been taken up. The alternative of doing nothing, is not sustainable and should not be acceptable to anyone.
    Cheers Concerned Aussie.
    Peter Perryman
  • Aaron Webber - National Organiser
    followed this page 2020-12-08 09:46:31 +1100
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-11-29 11:30:17 +1100
    It looks like we’ll be Zooming again in December 2020 Unless advised otherwise, I’ll set it up for 3 pm on 6 December. I’ll be having lunch with a couple of other SAP members that day at the Greensborough RSL Bistro. Call me if you want to join us on 0400 122 044.
    There’s a brilliant new book out called “Less is More” by Jason Hickel. The sub title is “How degrowth will save the world”. It’s focus is on the “Capitalism’s Dirty Secret” as discussed in a TED talk by billionaire Nick Hanauer. Thoroughly recommend both.
    Does anyone know how to change my name in this system from Kenneth to my preferred name “Ken”?
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-10-26 10:16:16 +1100
    Just a reminder all things being equal we will be Zooming on –
    Sunday 1 November at 3 pm.
    I hesitate for to say “for the last time” and hope there will be venue where we can meet on 6 December 2020
  • Richard Belcher - Victorian Organiser
    commented 2020-10-03 11:29:20 +1000
    I’ll join in.
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-10-02 15:30:28 +1000
    This sounds like a good topic for discussion on Sunday at 3 pm. I’m from Greensborough and I believe my incumbent candidate, Cr Phillips, is keen for Greensborough to develop as a business and transport hub. I think the Council has a plan for this sort of development. I hate to think what it would do for parking in the area. Phillips is well entrenched in my Beale Ward. Other candidates include Michael Copsey from the Greens and an ALP candidate previously from Whittlesea, Elizabeth Nealy.
  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2020-10-02 12:47:03 +1000
    If there is any other members from greensborough, or anyone else interested, please see the attached link for a proposed 62 apartment block next to the centrelink. I have written to the people running for local council and Brian Grace is on side to help with the overdevelopmemt problem.

    https://m.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-greensborough-129666918
  • Doug Richards
    commented 2020-09-26 09:43:38 +1000
    I’ll be there
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-09-20 11:10:57 +1000
    Our esteemed State Organizer, Richard, has asked me to remind you that we will be meeting via Zoom next Sunday 4 October at 3 pm. I will send out a link to those on my email list. It will be the same one I always use. Here is the link, Meeting ID and Passcode you can use if you don’t get it by email from me. Please keep it safe.

    https://us02web.zoom.us/j/6828067792?pwd=OGcxVDZTSzU5MU1NcXZUcksvZjdadz09

    Meeting ID: 682 806 7792
    Passcode: 9uYwGU

    Ken Young
    0400 122 044
  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2020-08-20 18:32:42 +1000
    From what I’ve read I share the same concerns as other about the state of our country and I am happy we are not single issue focused. One of my major concerns is the overdevelopmemt of our suburbs by developers cramming too many units onto originally single dwelling blocks. Building more assembly line houses has, in my opinion, ironically been the major cause of the housing crisis as now families cant afford houses in their preferred suburbs because developers outbid them. I believe I have a good way to transmit this to the general public and get more people on side but need someone good with animation.
  • Peter Perryman
    commented 2020-08-20 16:33:36 +1000
    Hi, I’m a recently joined member of SAP, please include me in the Banyule Branch’s list for ZOOM invites etc. Cheers Peter Perryman
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-08-20 15:53:42 +1000
    I’m happy to host our Zoom meetings, but concerned members may not want to make their email addresses known to me, To overcome this potential hurdle I suggest Richard will be able to forward the link to the meeting to any others that wish to join. The link will be the same or each meeting. Having worked in the public sector all my employed career I appreciate the need for confidentiality. It sounds like we already have a group of five including my friend Peter Perryman whose main concern is plastic pollution. We obviously have a wide range of interests all linked to SAP policies.
  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2020-08-20 10:17:18 +1000
    Yess, sounds good.
  • Harry Clarke
    commented 2020-08-18 17:36:58 +1000
    I’ll be there.
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-08-18 16:41:49 +1000
    3 pm sounds good to me. Ken Young
  • Richard Belcher - Victorian Organiser
    commented 2020-08-18 16:32:40 +1000
    Hi All,

    I will be there. The party recommends 3pm rather than lunch time to maximise attendance, so can we make it 3pm instead? Just so everybody understands the branch meetings procedure, follow this link to the Branch communication guide and click on “here” after messaging: https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/local-branches-vic

    Regards,

    Richard
    Victorian organiser
  • Doug Richards
    commented 2020-08-18 16:21:50 +1000
    That is OK. I will be there!
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-08-18 15:34:52 +1000
    Our next Zoom meeting of the Banyule group will be at 1 pm on Sunday 7 September 2020 rather than the 20th. Head office suggest branches meet on the 1st Sunday of each month. Please review the official branch communications process on the ‘Local Branches – State/Territory’ page.
  • Doug Richards
    commented 2020-08-18 15:00:57 +1000
    Actually I have been attending Whitehouse meetings. These were actual physically present meetings last year before COVID. I guess we will be having Zoom meetings for a while but we do need to work out a suitable meeting place. Preferable one that is free and has coffee.
  • Ken Young
    commented 2020-08-17 09:42:38 +1000
    Hi Simon. I think we had a constructive meeting. Richard, the State Organizer, was able to join me and Harry. I screwed up and forgot to monitor the “waiting room” so Doug wasn’t able to get in for half an hour. The four of us decided we would ZOOM again on Sunday 20 September at 1 pm. Richard is going to arrange contact with all the other Banyule LGA members via email. I will be the Zoom host for that meeting and pay more attention to the waiting room this time. I expressed my interest in the dominance of global economic forces destroying the planet and humanity. Harry is an expert on population and Doug is working in IT. Doug has been attending Zoom meetings with the Manningham SAP Branch, I think. We need to remember the function of Local branches is the support the development of the Party. It’s my belief we will do best to publicize the Party among our friends. It’s probably the only cure for what ails humanity. We’re blessed to know our members will all be well motivated and probably above average intelligence. Let me know you ‘re email address when you’re ready. Richard will be sending out a formal Zoom meeting notice and will be the Facilitator.
  • Simon Daniell
    commented 2020-08-16 22:36:13 +1000
    Sorry I was unable to join today hopefully it went well for an initial discussion. Please post when you are planning another one. I work most days often weekends as I work for myself so I am often busy but I will try my best.